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And here to show you that real ones do exist, is the presentation bugle given by Dr. Leonard Molloy - afterwards a British MP - to a Boer War St. John Ambulance Brigade, and so inscribed in Feb. 1901.

It is dated and loudly stamped with the manufacturer. And it has a well-worn inscription polished down, with loving diligence by someone, to a somewhat faint impression of what it once was.


Presentation Bugle of Dr. Leonard Molloy
Go to The Molloy Bugle
Orig. bugle - Size - 29 cm
Found - London, UK


Ok, now show me some real Gallipoli stuff...

Comparing Presentation Bugles

Here are some other examples of genuine inscriptions on real historic presentation bugles.

Left a British 1861 lost bugle and right an 1862 US Civil War bugle.

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Genuine presentation bugles were often works of art that bespoke the pride of the giver, and featured florid inscriptions, not just run-of-the-mill text like on the "Kerrison" bugle.

But it took someone with skill - not a militaria hacker with his Dremel tool - to execute the decoration generally, and the inscription.

Compare the Kerrison inscription and artistry...


The British bugle above and below also carries the silver hallmarks certifying this as a classy presentation bugle made of silver like the rich folks have, not the silver plate the poor had to use - like used on the Kerrison bugle.


Which one would Mr. & Mrs. Kerrison have wanted for their son?

 

 




 

 



 

 

Or were they just cheapskates making do with a Walmart bugle: no maker's mark, no military broad arrow, no real silver, and no artistically done inscription for their loved one?

Right and below another silver hallmarked presentation bugle. Its inscription is adorned with the badge of the Lincolnshire Regiment, and specifics about the Drums and the battalion it's from. And it has the proud name of G Potter Aldershot prominently shown.

What it also shows is age... Many presentation bugles have the inscription wearing thin, from just too much loving polishing over the past 100 years. You can't fake the wear that this fine bugle shows.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 





 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




Below is a Russian silver hallmarked, and dated, presentation bugle from 1900, with specifcs about the regiment it commemorates, the famed Preobrazhensky. Its proud owner wants several thousand dollars for it.

It looks plain overall, but the bell collar is adorned by an artist who has also implanted a silver cross of St. George slaying the dragon there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Above left the inscription, and right on red backgrounds, the original pictures from the 2007 listing. It is definitely the same bugle, just much more polished now.

Right the inscription that the new ebay buyer found troubling. B&H LONDON 1916.

"The bugle stamped Boosey and Hawkes (B&H) London 1916." The seller baldly states that B&H stands for bugle manufacturer Boosey and Hawkes in 1916.

Trouble is the firm never signed as B&H for obvious reasons. It's poor advertising. No one could remember what it stands for. So both firms always inscribed their names in full.

It gets worse. There was no Boosey & Hawkes until the 1930s, when the two firms that had made bugles independently of each other joined up.

So no Boosey & Hawkes in 1916.

B&H bugle or BS bugle...?

Besides, the stamping is crooked, wobbly, tiny, and hidden. No self respecting bugle makers would ever stamp their names so haphazardly, as a rickety, throwaway, minor stamp on the unobtrusive, and awkward edge of the bell collar. But an amateur faker would, and maybe did.

Recognized bugle manufacturer names, and dates, are always prominently and artistically displayed, in big letters on a main part of the bugle horn, not tucked away in minimal script and with minimal care where you can't find them unless you go looking. Names and dates are about salesmanship. They must be in your face or they don't work.

The highly suspect and wobbly name stamping - London Bridge is falling down - makes even the accompanying 1916 date suspect, as to the real age of this bugle.

So what are "B&H London 1916"? Who stamped it? Why? And When? In 1987?

It's clearly one possibility. Another is 1979... Is 1916?

Oops! Was this stamped by an antique faker who didn't know there was no B&H in 1916, and was as ignorant about the origin of Boosey & Hawkes in the 1930s, as were the two dealers who have falsely attributed this bugle to the firm?

Right the Hawkes signature on a real military bugle in 1916. Loud, brash, in-your-face, and artistically and professionally designed and executed on the prominent part of the bugle. And a military broad arrow. This was made with pride, for the military.

The only provable or verifiable writing on the Gallipoli bugle - B&H - clearly shows that at least two antique sellers gave a false attribution for the horn...

The buyer smelled a rat and he was right. The seller was absolutely wrong on attributing this bugle to Boosey and Hawkes. If he had checked even basic bugle history, he would have known.

He certainly did a lot of Kerrison and Norfolk research. It's impossible to believe he did not also dominimal bugle research too, and found out that Boosey & Hawkes didn't exist before 1930.

In fact the buyer found that out almost immediately. The seller may have been deliberately lying. He needed a sale. Especially if he paid $400 for this thing a couple of years ago...

At the very least this bugle has no pedigree. It was not made by any recognizable bugle maker. Certainly not by any manufacturer making real army bugles for the British during World War I. So this is not a bugle, or a type of bugle, that was used by the Norfolk Sandringham Battalion.

So, until a better explanation comes along, this is a Walmart bugle. And perhaps a BS not a B&H bugle.

"This was no doubt done by the Kerrison family, and presented..." There is lots of doubt, actually. There is not the slighted proof for saying any of this, and the seller offers none any more real than those who piously offer pieces of the "true cross" for sale when you visit Christ's tomb in Israel.

There is no proof connecting this bugle whatsoever with the Kerrison family.

There is also no proof whatsoever about it being presented to another bugler, the scouts, or church lads, in his memory. Not a smidgen. Other than a motivated seller's desire to find a live one...

If Kerrison's parents, or a family friend, commissioned this Walmart bugle for their son, they are cheapskates. Would parents do this? Or would they want to get a real silver bugle to honour their son? Or a famous George Potter bugle? Or maybe a Boosey bugle, or a Hawkes bugle?

Exactly like the one their son carried when he was killed. With the proper manufacture's name, the date, and a military broad arrow. (There is also no military crowfoot on this bugle.)

Is this seller hyping - let's make that lying - just to make a sale?

"Absolutely genuine, an evocative piece." What does this mean? It's a genuine bugle. You can see it and bite it. It's a real bugle, there's no doubt.

The story someone attached to this bugle is invented, pure and simple. There is no provenance - provable, and documented life history - for this bugle having anything to do with 1916, the Kerrison family, the Norfolks, the scouts, the "church lads."

The seller hypes the death of Kerrison and the Norfolks etc. on and on, as if by doing so he makes the connection of the bugle with Kerrison or the Norfolks more real. It does nothing of the sort.

Look at the long list of attributes he gives Kerrison - all true. But not a single one has anything to do with this bugle whatsoever. Not a single one gives proof of any kind that this bugle was ever in the hands of the Kerrison family, or the Norfolks.

"Guaranteed original." What does this mean? What guarantee? From whom? With what documentation? And the bugle is original, like every human being is an original. But a lot are fakes and creeps. Original fakes... just like this bugle.

This is not a B&H bugle; it's a BS bugle...

Plain Jane

Right the silver-plated, and reputed Kerrison or Gallipoli bugle, with the tiny B&H near the bell collar.

It had turned up previously at an auction below in Norfolk, in the UK, in October, 2009, which is probably where the ebay seller got it, and repeated the false attribution to Boosey & Hawkes from...

Rare? "You betcha," says Gov. Sarah Palin, the US Presidential contender.

Because there is no other simplified presentation bugle like this out there...

The "Kerrison" bugle sold for some 200 pounds. A seller who saw an opportunity, then put it on ebay, instead of into the trash...

"Well polished." Someone has polished this up in the last two years. Collectors with genuine military inscribed archival bugles prefer to keep them as untouched antiques to preserve the patina related to the time and place it's supposed to commemorate.

But there are thousands of Real, Original, Authentic, Gunga Din bugles on ebay ever day. All recently made in India and Pakistan for the insatiable appetites out there, for real British army bugles. Nice and shiny for the discriminating shopper.

Free and clear of any inscriptions, so you are free to add your own...

The Dedication Inscription - Considering all the other negative factors that this bugle seems to carry with it, makes the dedication suspect.

Dedications to bugles are usually written in big text on the most prominent part of the bugle in the middle of the barrel, not at the bottom, which is were leading bugle makers inscribed their names and addresses.

Inscriptions are also done artistically with some embellishments or artistic flair thrown in and variations of size and presentation of text. Artists who do this kind of work would insist on it.

This bugle has a straight forward, meat and potatoes kind of type, without any embellishments, or decorations, just basic text, that would be easier for a forger to make.

Let's face it, you can have this done by any jeweler. Give him the script and he'll inscribe it for you.

Finally, it's hard, taking all the evidence into consideration to come to any other conclusion than that this started as a cheap Gunga Din, "Made in Pakistan" bugle, sometime in the 1970s or 80s, and stamped B&H by the notorious firm of Bamboozled and Hoaxed.

Then it was probably buried in a dung heap for six months, to let the acids add some faux patina. (A favourite metal faker's trick.)

Then an inscription was dreamed up to a real person, and it was sent out into the world of ravenous militaria buyers, who are looking for genuine historical pieces like this purports to be.

And with honest people paying over $400 for them, can the next one be far behind? (See bottom)

106 - 106 militaria enthusiasts, who saw it on ebay - or they wouldn't have brought up this page on the bugle - chose not to enter a bid. Why not? Isn't this a fabulous discovery?

Still the new owner is happy.

Overlooking all the information we supplied him, in answer to his query, he says, "I'm not unhappy. Norfolk stuff is very hard to get, and it's very expensive when you find it. And I'm happy Kerrison is commemorated..."

You decide if it's really a genuine Kerrison Gallipoli commemoration bugle by Boosey and Hawkes from 1916...

You decide if it's worth $403 US...

Or if it's just some knock-off, by a memorabilia faker.

Now, show me some real presentation bugles...

Was this ebay buyer lucky or...?

"BUDGET-BLINDED, BARGAIN-BASEMENT BEDAZZLED BUGLE BUYERS, BEST BETTER BEWARE OF BEING BEGUILED AND BAMBOOZLED, BY BUSTED, AND BENT, BEATEN & BATTERED BOGUS BOER WAR BUGLES"

Below a classic example of how antique and militaria sellers who have a piece of memorabilia without provenance (any supporting documentation of any kind whatsoever on the actual life history of the artifact) try to throw everything, including the kitchen sink, into a listing, hoping that the cumulative effect will make the bugle more "real" or closer to what he claims it to be.

Here every bit of information on Kerrison - the man not the bugle - that is known, is thrown in, including the name of his parents, his grave reference... None of this has any provable link, whatsoever, to this bugle, which carries only three inscriptions - some untraceable initials, a date, a dedication. The name everyone attributes to the initials can be proven to be false, making the accompanying date suspect, and leaving the third dedication up to you...

Till December 2009, when a UK buyer asked us for corroborative information about a Gallipoli bugle he had just bought on ebay for $403 US.

Comparing the pictures told us it was exactly the same bugle, resurfacing and looking for a - dare we say it? - a gullible buyer.

The original story had been that this was some kind of family presentation bugle from 1916, in memory of Bugler Kerrison who had been killed at Gallipoli the year before.

As the story goes - made up, we believe by an antique dealer - either his parents had it made or it had been made by someone to present to his parents, or his scout troop, or his church group, whatever... you fill in with wherever your imagination takes you...

Now it had surfaced, supposedly after 100 years, looking for a panting buyer...

These were the two pictures from the recent ebay listing.

We asked for better pictures before we could assess what it was all about.

> Hi
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> I wonder if you could advise me on a bugle i have just bought off ebay.

> Item number 290378033425

> The reason i ask is the makers stamp is B & H London 1916, it is in memory of a Sandringham Btl man killed in 1915.

I would assume the B stands for Boosey and the H for Hawkes, but i have researched and found that they didn't join the two till the early 30's.

So would the B & H stand for someone else, or is it a possible false stamp. (sic - ed)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




Great Canadian Heritage Trashure

Will we never escape from the clutches of the Kerrison bugle?

In 2007 this bugle appeared on ebay, purporting to be some kind of family presentation bugle, from a UK seller, accompanied by hot hype about its relationship to a real bugler with the Norfolk Regiment: FRJ Kerrison, who was killed at Gallipoli in 1915.

It sold for 235 pounds - over $400 US at the time. We declined the sale - the seller was agreeable, and it went to an eager under bidder. We had pointed out all the problems with it, which the seller said "astonished" him.

Two months later, the UK police called us, enquiring about our relationship to the bugle. It seems the under bidder now suspected he had been had with a fraudulent bugle and was seeking criminal action against the ebay seller.

We explained our problem with the bugle as it being wildly overstated and totally without supporting proof of any of the professed authenticity of anything about the bugle.

The detective officer said "It looks like fraud to me and we'll pursue that."

We heard nothing more.


Bugle with writing on it...
Orig. silver plated metal - Size - 28 cm
Found - ebay.UK

The Fake Gallipoli Bugle of Bugler FRJ Kerrison (1915) - 1987??? - 7

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Ebay handle fivedockchris from Sydney, Austrailia, sold this as item 130359609167 (pop it into the ebay search engine for a display) for $179.10 US, in November, 2009. In March 2010, ebay handle fcc4568 from Adelaide Hills, Australia, put it up, suitable refaked, on ebay as item 350320551173. Within days the fake was over some $317 US....

Fake Aussie Bugle - The Aussies just love their fake bugles, until they get a close look at them, and then dump them back on ebay to let another sucker have a go.

 

These closeups were taken - and posted on ebay along with the selling ads - only months apart. The older one - and oddly, the clean one - is on the right (ebay c Nov. 2009.)

The newer one (ebay Mar 2010) where fcc4568 has rubbed some old Brasso into the inscription, where weeks before, there was none, to make it look ancient, and you know, help sales. Otherwise the unique characteristics of the letters match perfectly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Note too how, ebay hides the bidder's names with code, during an auction, and removes the bidder's list entirely, once an item sells. All techniques ebay has implemented in recent years that help cover for crooked antique dealers, and make it impossible to warn anyone of fraudulent sellers and/or items.
Hey, ebay wants sales, not honesty... It gets its cut whether the seller is creepy, or a crook, and even if what they sell is fake, or the result of fraud...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is this a fake Aussie Boer War Bugle...?

An ebay seller from Australia, offered this bugle for $294 US and got a Buy it Now for $240 (including shipping.)

Was that a deal?

ebay is a great venue for selling fake bugles, and fake anything else that you may want.

There is an entire world out there, of enthusiastic buyers, long on cash, and short on knowledge, just ready to pounce when a "Boer War" bugle turns up.

Especially one suitably engraved with the name of a regiment, the war, and the dates...

Wow!

Why can't we find them like that out there in picker heaven? Or an old barn? Or a yard sale? Or...

Hmmm...

The seller calls it an "Antique Boer War Relic."

Sez who else, or what?

This bugle looks in very fine shape. The seller says it's very good for its age...

Especially for a military bugle, which, according to the engraving, seems to have seen three years of action.

Let's look a little more closely.

Wonder who was the manufacturer for bugles for the Victoria Mounted Rifles?

Wonder what kind of military crowfoot the Aussies used on their military bugles?

The Brits used a simple arrowhead; the Canadians put a C around their arrowheads, on bugles they manufactured.The seller says the mouthpiece is probably new, which he says is not unusual.

This mouthpiece is very new. Ok, so a dealer or former owner added one. Replacements are common. But why for a historic bugle, and why such a glaring and inappropriate one?

Why?

Because the old one, the supposed historic one, was missing.

It was not added for use, because nobody would blow a rare trophy bugle.

People hate to buy bugles without mouthpieces. So it was added by someone to sell. To tart up a bugle for the market with something clearly inappropriate and modern.

He even chained it up again.

Most suspiciously, this bugle has no dings or dents of any kind that we can see...

Aussies are, at best, a rambunctious crowd. Would the Mounted Rifles have had a dentless bugle after three years of warring?

After a long a rough campaign, with it clanking on the saddle, against the bayonet on the gallop, in and out of countless transport wagons, in and out of the trunk in the tent, in and out of transport ships...

This bugler kept this one in pristine shape... Probably in a box with foam packing...

Or did he...

The patina on this does not compare favourably with known bugles that are 100 years old.

It also turns out there is no manufacturer stamped on the bugle.

And there is no military crowfoot

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




So this is definitely not a military issue bugle.

Would the Victoria Mounted Rifles have rejected a non-standard military issue bugle, in favour of this anonymous Walmart horn? Usually made as a civilian issue bugle for Boy Scouts, or church and school groups... Your guess is as good...

How old is the bugle? We don't know because there is no manufacture's stamp and no date stamp.

Patina - The blotchy patina here shows this bugle was very, very shiny not too many years ago... It lacks the deep, rich, dull bronzy matte finish of genuinely old bugles.

Inscription - We are only left with a so-called military inscription, which of course anyone can have done at a jewelers for a couple of bucks.

The inscription is worrisome.

It's very rough and hacked looking. Why would anyone have a careless craftsman inscribe a treasured historic bugle with his first attempts at using a Dremel tool?

Who did it?

Not a bugler. He would definitely have added his regiment and squadron, perhaps his name.

This lacks the personal detail that the original owner, with real and specific knowledge, would have added. If there ever was such a person...

This is the most general labeling possible, done by a civilian, who, beyond the name - Victoria Mounted Rifles - knew nothing of the unit.

In fact there were many different Victoria Mounted Rifles units sent at different times to South Africa.

As well, the Wikipedia dates cover the entire war, and not the service term of any of the VMR units.

Clearly the dates do not reflect the battlefield life service history of this bugle...

If there ever was any...

Presentation bugles - which this doesn't claim to be - are usually without dings and dents. But that is certainly not the case with bugles that were supposed to have been on campaign...

Compare it with the rare Balaklava bugle that blew the Charge of the Light Brigade...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




Gallipoli is synonymous with the Anzacs, the Australian and New Zealand troops, that took the brunt of the defeat that summer of 1915, on the heights above Suvla Bay.

Opening the Second Front here, had been a big idea of Winston Churchill, who was Britain's First Lord of the Admiralty. The failure led to his resignation. Many thought he would never recover from this, his biggest fiasco.

The movie Gallipoli wonderfully captured that era, and made Mel Gibson a star. A wave of renewed patriotism swept over Down Under, and led to a surge of "Dump the Queen of Australia" fervour.

Mused many, "If only I could get a real bit of Aussie history from that era? Why, I'd pay just about anything!"

Then up pops this bugle...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Great Canadian Heritage Treasure

Edwin McCormick Bugle - Mahillon, 1901
Orig. bugle - Size - 29 cm
Found - Toronto, ON

Canada's fabled Edwin McCormick bugle shows, throughout, the shallow dents incurred over a five month campaign in South Africa. And the solid and uniform deep matte bronze patina old bugles have.

Go to Real Boer War Bugles

 

Copyright Goldi Productions Ltd. 1996-1999-2005
Great Canadian Heritage Treasure

Russian (c 1901) Samovar, Istanbul, Turkey c 1919

Orig. samovar - Size - 54 cm
Found - Istanbul, Turkey (1969)

A central chimney stack held coals, which heated the water around it. The tap dispensed hot water, to which was added strong tea concentrate from a teapot, which sat, staying hot, on top of the chimney.

A fabulous genuine Gallipoli related souvenir of World War I.

Since the Allied attempt, to link up with Russia through the Black Sea area failed, the Czarist forces were left on their own to tackle the Germans on the Eastern Front, and increasingly, the rising number of Bolshevik revolutionaries who sought to bring down the monarchy and make peace with Germany.

This would close down the Eastern Front, and allow the Germans to move all their armies to the West, and hopefully, strike a final knockout blow against the Allied Forces in France.

The Bolsheviks finally toppled the Czarist Government of Nicholas II, in 1917, and made peace with Germany.

For Russians, the world had turned upside down.

The Czar and his family were assassinated. And the Royalist families, and wealthy middle class citizens, fled for their lives before the New Order that promised to redistribute income fairly.

Many fled by ship across the Black Sea, to Constantinople. (It would not become Istanbul till the 1930s.)

They took only a few, portable possessions with them, like this samovar.

This samovar, which for the early part of the century had overheard laughter and gaiety - all in Russian of course, probably in Moscow, or St. Petersburg - now, in 1919, heard only wild lamentation and tears, as the family-in-exile gathered round it to boil their water to make tea. Safe, but peniless now, in Constantinople. There they abandoned the samovar, as they left by ship for their ultimate destinations to begin new lives in America, Britain, or France.

What a sad family story it could tell. It was a witness to an entire civilization in chaos, an event that would indelibly mark and define the entire 20th century.

Below the good old days, with a tea pot heating on top of a silmilar samovar sometime in the 19th century and before the Russian Revolution. Bottom Leo Tolstoy surrounded by family and two samovars...

Ghttp://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&um=1&q=tomb+attaturk&sa=N&start=20&ndsp=20reat Canadian Heritage Treasure

 

A terrific painting of the horror that enveloped the British Forces when they tried to land at Gallipoli in 1915, north of the Dardanelles, in today's Turkey.

This fabulous gouache by CM Padday was produced for the Times History of the Great War.

The lighters are ferrying men and equipment from the transport ships, to the beaches below the heights beyond.

Up top, Turkish and German gunners are firing an incessant rain of shells down on them.

From April to December, 1915, the Allies tried to invade but were stalled and withdrew.

44,000 Allied soldiers died - including Mel Gibson, and 49 from Canada's Newfoundland - and 88,000 Turks.

Below, their one achievement.


The Landing at Gallipoli - CM Padday, 1918
Orig. gouache - Image Size - 19 x 30 cm
Found - Toronto, ON








Right the Gallipoli Peninsula juts out from Turkey into the Aegean Sea. Below it is the narrow Straits of the Dardanelles

1 is where the Anzac troops landed and invaded.

2 is where the British troops landed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Overlooking the bay from the opposite, land side, of the scene painted by CM Padday.

The water below, for most of 1915 was dotted with the ships of the British invasion fleet. And British soldiers were dug in on these hills, unable to advance against the Turks.

These heights, from which the souvenir shell above was fired, are soaked in their blood.

Ataturk, who was the Turkish general who accomplished the successful defence of his country, became President of Turkey in the revolution that followed World War I.

He secularized the Muslim state and was generous in honouring his former enemies who lie in his country.

A member of NATO since 1952, Turkey, staunchly Muslim, is one of the few member countries to protest Israel's depredations against Muslims in Gaza, Palestine, and Lebanon.

Great Canadian Heritage Treasure

Turkish (German) Artillery Shell Casing - Gallipoli, 1915
Orig. brass - Size - 17 cm
Found - Istanbul, Turkey (1969)

A good example of World War I trench art, this one though, hammered out by the "enemy," a Turkish soldier during the disastrous British Gallipoli campaign of 1915, a bloodletting which the Canadians happily missed but not the Australians and Kiwis.

The casing is German, a 15 pounder made in Dusseldorf in 1912. German generals and munitions helped the Turks defend their homeland. The shell is long gone, probably exploding among some charging Anzacs who never returned home.

The Gallipoli Campaign during the summer of 1915, started out as a good idea: opening up a second front against the Germans by striking at the soft underbelly of Europe in Turkey, linking up with Russian through the Straits (Dardanelles and Hellespont) to the Black Sea, and so force the Germans to remove soldiers form the Western Front to shore up the new offensive from the Eastern, Russian Front.

This shell was one of thousands fired on Aussies and Kiwis making futile charges up the heights beyond Suvla Bay.

After months of negligible advances the expedition was withdrawn, a gamble that failed but killed some 130,000 Allied and Turkish soldiers who still lie there on the killing fields.

It also produced a very fine film Gallipoli which wonderfully captures, at once, the human (Aussie) side and the futility of war.

Below Ataturk the Turkish general - later the first President of the Turkish Republic - who is given credit for orchestrating the Allied defeat.

Without doubt, Ataturk has the largest and finest tomb in the world, a colossal building that sits in resplendent isolation, in Ankara, in the middle of a huge expanse of public space larger than several football stadiums in size.

The building, built to honour the man who delivered Turkey from medievalism, and the clutches of the invading European armies, and modernized it, dwarfs the people in front.

Another Muslim warrior, who is similarly trying to eject foreign invaders from Muslim homelands - and is winning, big time in Afghanistan, in 2010, according even to leaked US CIA reports - is Osama bin Laden. Will he have a tomb like this someday?

The Ultimate Irony & Hypocrisy - Inside, Muslim liberator Ataturk must blanche, to have Christian President Obama - Bush in blackface - lay a wreath on his grave below.

Obama, the most disappointing President in US history, is seeking to outdo President Bush's all-time record as the US President who has killed more Muslim women, children, and men, than any other in history.

Obama should have let Hilary Clinton, his Secretary of State, do it, you know, the one who threatened 72 million Iranian Muslims, "We will obliterate you."

She'd do it too. She's got to get that long, simmering hostility against Bill out, just like George Bush bided his time, till he could get even with Saddam Hussain - "You tried to kill my Daddy."